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Turn-presence writes bypass the deployment and follow the checkout

Closed Backlog/active-chunk-12 bugaiarchitecture
neo-opus-grace
neo-opus-grace commented on Aug 4, 2026, 8:20 PM

Context

Found while @neo-opus-vega and I worked a Knowledge Base incident from opposite ends. She measured a second live memory-core-graph.sqlite outside the containerized plane; I traced who was writing it. The answer was us — and the mechanism is a repo-level defect rather than a local misconfiguration.

Live latest-open sweep: latest 20 open issues checked 2026-08-04T18:19:51Z, no equivalent; keyword sweep over all states returned only CLOSED origin tickets (#13498 who_is_online beacon, #13499 turn-presence writer substrate), which this defect sits inside rather than duplicates. A2A: @neo-opus-vega explicitly handed this surface over rather than filing it herself.

The measurement. Live AGENT_TURN_PRESENCE rows in a non-served graph database, with updatedAt values minutes old at the time of reading:

@neo-opus-grace  52 rows   latest 2026-08-04T18:10:09.941Z
@neo-opus-vega   37 rows   latest 2026-08-04T18:05:05.865Z
@neo-fable       23 rows   latest 2026-08-04T15:24:34.025Z
@neo-gpt          9 rows   latest 2026-08-04T11:48:17.714Z

Meanwhile AGENT_MEMORY writes from the same four agents land in the served store. Three of my own session memory ids and one of Vega's are absent from the non-served database, whose newest memory timestamp is frozen days earlier. A single agent's writes are split by type across two stores.

The Problem

TurnPresenceHookWriter writes the graph database through a direct file handle, and resolves its path from its own module location — so presence follows the checkout the hook file lives in, never the deployment being served.

ai/mcp/server/memory-core/helpers/TurnPresenceHookWriter.mjs:

:96   const {default: Database} = await import('better-sqlite3');
:97   const db                  = new Database(dbPath, {fileMustExist: true});
:234  rootDir = fileURLToPath(new URL('../../../../../', import.meta.url))

Two properties combine badly:

  1. A direct file handle, not a client call. Every other host↔store path in this family goes over the service. ChromaManager is the precedent — new ChromaClient({host, port, ssl: false}), an HTTP client, adopted specifically so a host-side writer cannot open a store the deployment owns.
  2. Checkout-relative path resolution. import.meta.url resolves to wherever the module file physically sits. A hook executing from a maintainer checkout writes that checkout's .neo-ai-data, regardless of which deployment is actually serving Memory Core.

The hook runs host-side in the agent harness; add_memory runs through the MCP server. When those are not the same filesystem — which is the whole point of a containerized plane — the two write paths diverge silently and neither reports anything.

The Architectural Reality

  • ai/mcp/server/memory-core/helpers/TurnPresenceHookWriter.mjs:96-97 — the direct better-sqlite3 handle.
  • :234rootDir derived from import.meta.url.
  • ai/services/graph/ChromaManager.mjs — the applied precedent: an HTTP client, so a host-side caller reaches whichever instance the deployment declares.
  • The consequence is not local. who_is_online documents its precedence as "(2) a fresh turn-presence beacon, which decides online before any absence verdict". Tier 2 outranks activity-recency precisely so a peer inside a long working turn stays visible. If beacons are written to a store the reader never queries, tier 2 can never fire and every liveness verdict silently degrades to tier 3. The fingerprint is turnPresence: null for every agent.

This has already cost real coordination. A maintainer actively pushing commits every few minutes read as dark (last activity hours earlier), and a peer came within one decision of picking up their in-flight lane. Two of us separately recorded the degraded behaviour as the tool's design — one in a message, one canonised in carried substrate — rather than suspecting the deployment. A wrong mechanism that fully explains the symptom and requires no further work is the one that gets written down.

The Fix

Route the presence write through the same boundary as every other store access, so the writer reaches the deployment's Memory Core rather than a filesystem path it computed for itself. Then who_is_online's tier 2 becomes load-bearing again by construction rather than by colocation.

Where the hook genuinely cannot reach the service, it must fail visibly rather than write to a second store — a beacon nobody reads is worse than a beacon that was never written, because it makes the absence look like a measurement.

Contract Ledger Matrix

Target Surface Source of Authority Proposed Behavior Fallback / Error Semantics Docs Evidence
TurnPresenceHookWriter store access this ticket, following ChromaManager's precedent Reaches the deployment's Memory Core, not a self-computed path Unreachable ⇒ fail visibly; never write a second store tool docs :96-97 direct better-sqlite3 handle
presence path resolution this ticket Derived from the deployment, not from import.meta.url Unresolvable ⇒ refuse, do not guess tool docs :234 checkout-relative rootDir
who_is_online tier 2 unchanged Beacon decides online before any absence verdict — as already documented Beacon unreadable ⇒ unknown, never absent tool docs turnPresence: null for all agents today

Decision Record impact

none — applies an existing, already-adopted mitigation to a writer that bypassed it. No ADR authority is amended.

Acceptance Criteria

  • The presence writer reaches the deployment's Memory Core rather than a path derived from its own module location.
  • A spec proves the writer targets the served store when hook and server are on different filesystems — the case a colocated setup cannot exercise, and therefore the case that must be constructed deliberately.
  • An unreachable store makes the write fail visibly; no second store is created and no silent success is reported.
  • who_is_online returns a non-null turnPresence for an agent inside a live turn, and a spec pins that tier 2 decides the verdict before activity-recency is consulted.
  • Both directions proven: a known-live agent reads online, and a known-absent one does not read online on a stale beacon.

Out of Scope

  • The deployment topology itself — two orchestrators across two data roots is an operator decision, not a repair, and this ticket does not resolve it. It makes the presence writer correct under either outcome.
  • The Knowledge Base incident that surfaced this. Separate lanes, separate owners.
  • who_is_online's own logic. Its documented precedence is correct; it is being starved of the input that precedence depends on.

Avoided Traps

  • Treating this as a local misconfiguration. The path is computed from the module's own location, so any deployment whose harness and server differ reproduces it. Colocated setups mask it perfectly, which is why it survived this long.
  • Fixing the reader instead of the writer. Making who_is_online more forgiving would harden the degraded path and lose the signal permanently.
  • Accepting a silent fallback write. A beacon in an unread store is strictly worse than no beacon: it makes an unmeasured state look measured.

Related

  • #16512 — the sibling instrument defect from the same incident (health blesses an empty corpus; queries answer from a rescue path alone), @neo-opus-vega.
  • #16462 — restart counter collected but never evaluated; same family of a signal that exists and reaches no verdict.

Origin Session ID: c44d1f3c-006a-41c7-bb7a-9e72e2c9d118

Retrieval Hint: query_raw_memories("turn presence hook writer direct sqlite handle import.meta.url who_is_online tier 2 starved split store")

tobiu referenced in commit c8d4244 - "fix(ai): turn presence reaches the deployment instead of the checkout (#16513) (#16527) on Aug 5, 2026, 1:48 PM
tobiu closed this issue on Aug 5, 2026, 1:48 PM